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BJP demands representation of services on pay panel

New Delhi (PTI): Concerned over pay anomalies for the armed forces, the Opposition BJP on Thursday demanded representation of services on the Pay Commission and setting up of a statutory body for welfare of ex-servicemen.

Raising the issue during Zero Hour, Leader of Opposition Jaswant Singh said it was "unusual" for service chiefs to voice discontent in public, but added that it was done because of unusual circumstances.

Expressing concern over shortage of 18,000 officers in the armed forces, Singh demanded one-rank-one-pension and resettlement scheme for the ex-servicemen.

The Prime Minister and the Defence Minister should consider these demands sympathetically and address the issues raised by them, Singh said.

Singh, himself an ex-serviceman, said if this was not done, military personnel would lose their morale. "If you do not give them self-respect, you will be robbing the central impulse of military morale," he said.

He said the government should also consider the demand for inflation-indexed pension to neutralise the impact of price rise and must attempt to eliminate the anomalies in the Sixth Pay Commission.

Singh said a statutory commission should look into welfare of the ex-servicemen. Personnel from the services retire at the age of 36 years when "they have full life ahead", he said adding, though jobs are scarce, ex-servicemen are vital for the country.

Pay Panel
BJP for representation of services
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, October 23
The BJP yesterday demanded the representation of serving and retired armed forces personnel on the pay commission and the setting up of a statutory body for the welfare of ex-servicemen.

Stressing that there was a great discontent in the forces over pay anomalies in the Sixth Pay Commission, leader of opposition Jaswant Singh said in the Rajya Sabha that the government must attend to the anomalies attentively and sympathetically.

“It was unusual for service chiefs to go to the extent of voicing their protest in public, but it was done because of unusual circumstances,” he said, raising the issue during the Zero Hour.

The Prime Minister and the defence minister should consider these demands sympathetically and address the issues raised by them, he added.

Singh, himself an ex-serviceman, said if this was not done, military personnel would lose their morale.

“Why does a soldier or an airman agree to die (for the country). Principle motivation is ‘izzat’ (honour). If you do not give ‘izzat’ they deserve, you will be robbing them of central impulse of military morale,” Singh said.

Expressing concern over shortage of 18,000 officers in the forces, he also demanded one-rank-one-pension and resettlement scheme for the ex-servicemen, saying that a statutory commission should look into welfare of the ex-servicemen as personnel from the services retire at very young age when they still had full life ahead.

“Constitute a commission for the welfare of ex-servicemen so that this periodic
problem dose not arise,” he said, also asking for a proper resettlement scheme
for ex-servicemen.

He said the government should also consider the demand for inflation-indexed pension to neutralise the impact of price rise.

Retired generals, soldiers detained by Delhi Police

The ongoing protests against the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission (CPC) took an ugly turn on Monday when close to 400 ex-servicemen including their families were detained for a few hours by Delhi Police this morning while they were peacefully protesting near India Gate.

The ex-servicemen included former Deputy Army Chief Lt General Raj Kadyan and Major General Satbir Singh (retired) who were detained under Section 144 of the Code of Criminal Procedure.

“The government has done an unethical and immoral act by arresting disciplined soldiers,” said Major General Singh who is the vice-chairman of the Indian Ex-servicemen Movement (IESM).

Veterans are horrified and cannot remember the last time when two and three star generals were similarly detained.

“It is a sad day in our country’s history when generals have to take to the streets going on hunger strikes and demanding higher pensions,” said Major General Surjit Singh (retired).

The ex-servicemen had arrived at the memorial to India’s war dead, on Monday morning, and were to perform a havan before sitting down on a hunger strike to press for their demands.

They were bundled into waiting police vans and taken away because they had not got permission to protest there.

“We wrote to the prime minister and home minister informing them of the decision to hold a relay hunger strike. In the absence of any communication from them, we went ahead with our plan of action.”

The IESM were to meet Sonia Gandhi on last Saturday but did not get an appointment with the UPA chairperson.

They met Minister of State for Tourism Ambika Soni and presented their demands.

Since they were not given an assurance that the government would take up these demands, they continued with their plan to go on a relay hunger strike beginning from October 20 in hundreds of locations across the country.

The IESM has been agitating for four key demands since last year.

These include the implementation of OROP or the same pension for all ex-servicemen who have retired at the same rank irrespective of the joining or retirement dates, enhanced pension to compensate for early retirement and a national level commission for ex-servicemen and including ex-servicemen representatives and widows in welfare boards.

Each year over 55,000 personnel retire from the three armed forces, a majority of them soldiers who begin retiring from the age of 35 onwards.

Source : India Today (20-08-08)

Biased stand

Arundhati Ghose has done it this time, with her piece Services contempt… (Oct 22). It is sad that a discerning person like Arundhati has called the actions of the Service Chiefs as “insidious and underestimated danger which has raised its venomous head”!

Is this how mountains are made out of molehills? The Chiefs had correctly informed their commands that there would be a delay in their receiving new scales of pay, as important anomalies are still to be resolved. This perfectly legitimate duty and innocuous communication has become a sinister ‘challenge and defiance’! What deviousness!

I am amused by Arundhati’s phrase, so eloquently stated - “contempt of the forces for their civilian masters and counterparts”, implying that bureaucrats are also masters. How cheeky? She has even brought in the Constitution, albeit wrongly, to imply that the bureaucrats and the political leaders are synonymous when one talks of ‘civil control’!

Lt-Gen VIJAY OBEROI (retd), Panchkula

Fresh row over pay orders
MoD delinks rank pay from basic pay
Vijay Mohan
Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, October 23
A fresh controversy appears to have erupted over orders issued by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) on revision of the pay scales of armed forces personnel consequent to the implementation of the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations.

In new special army instructions (SAIs) issued in the past week, the MoD has modified the definition of rank pay earlier admissible to commissioned officers and has de-linked it from the basic pay despite the fact that SAIs issued after the fourth and the fifth pay commissions define rank pay as “part of basic pay”.

Legal experts say that the fresh move of the MoD to de-link rank pay is not only in contravention of approved recommendations of the Union Cabinet, but also against the spirit of the MoD’s own earlier SAIs and court orders.

The revised definition, sources claim, would adversely impact the status of armed
forces officers.

Para 3 (b) of the SAI 2/S/08 issued on October 11, 2008, terms rank pay only as “rank pay admissible to commissioned officers of the three services”.

Earlier, SAI 2/S/87 and SAI 2/S/98 also mentioned that rank pay forms a part
of the basic pay. It is learnt that the service headquarters is taking up the issue
with the MoD.

The new “disparity” has come to light even as a high-level committee comprising three Cabinet ministers constituted to look into pay-related issues raised by the armed forces is yet to submit its report.

According to officers, rank pay was carved out of basic pay of military officers by the Fourth Pay Commission, when a common scale was introduced for all ranks from second Lieutenant till Brigadier.

The rank pay was added into the basic pay as a differentiating factor. The addition of rank pay as a part of basic pay was approved by the Union Cabinet and also notified in SAIs issued by the MoD.

Sources claimed that there were still instances wherein civilian officers posted to the MoD, by their own interpretation, refused to add rank pay into basic pay for status comparison purposes, despite the fact that courts of law had also ruled rank pay to be an integral part of basic pay.

While the tussle over the status of Lieutenant Colonel and Colonel vis-à-vis equivalent civilian officers continues, the Jodhpur and Chennai Benches of the Central Administrative Tribunal have, in a case filed by MES officers, already held that directors and superintending engineers of the Central Engineering Services are junior to full Colonels and are equivalent to Lieutenant Colonels.

In the meantime, the Central government has started implementing pay progression parity for all Group A organised civilian officers with the IAS but the defence services have been kept outside the purview of the new scheme.

The pay achieved by 100 per cent civil officers in 16 years is achievable by
less than one per cent military officers and that too after 33 years of service,
sources said.

Concern in RS over anomalies in pay scale of armed forces

New Delhi, Oct 23 Sharing the concerns of armed forces over pay anomalies, BJP today made a strong demand in the Rajya Sabha for setting up a statutory commission for welfare of ex-servicemen and representation of retired personnel in pay panels.

Raising the matter during Zero Hour, Leader of Opposition Jaswant Singh said it was "unusual" for service chiefs to voice discontent in public, but added that it was done because of unusual circumstances.

While also demanding one rank one pension and resettlement scheme for ex-servicemen, he said the Prime Minister and the Defence Minister should consider the demands of the armed forces very sympathetically and address the concerns raised by them.

Singh, himself an ex-serviceman, said if this was not done, military personnel would lose their morale. "If you do not give them self-respect, you will be robbing the central impulse of military morale," he said.

He said government should also consider the demand for inflation-indexed pension to neutralise the impact of price rise and must attempt to eliminate the anomalies in the Sixth Pay Commission.

Yashwant Sinha (BJP) expressed concern over pollution of the Damodar river by public sector units located in the river basin. Effluents from coal and steel plants are dumped into the river, making its water unfit for consumption, he said.

He said though there were stringent laws to check pollution, these were not enforced effectively.(Agencies)

Published: Thursday, October 23, 2008

Progress in LAC talks not bright: Parnab
Ajay Banerjee
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, October 23
Contending there were different perceptions on transgressions by Chinese troops into the Indian territory, the government today said the two countries had agreed to exchange maps delineating the frontier but the progress was not very bright.

Replying to questions in the Upper House on Chinese incursions across the Line of Actual Control (LAC), external affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee said, “They think that entire Arunachal is their territory which we are not going to agree upon.”

He added that there were different perceptions on why these transgressions
were taking place.

He said the two countries had decided in 2003 to appoint special representatives to resolve the border issue. “This is going on, this is taking time,” he said.

‘Ties with Lanka unassailable’

Pranab Mukherjee today reaffirmed that India would continue to have comprehensive relations with Sri Lanka, including military relations.

Replying in the Rajya Sabha to clarifications sought by MPs on his statement on Lanka made yesterday, Mukherjee said, “Having strategic interests and ensuring the safety of the civilian Tamil population are two separate issues.”

Sri Lanka had been told that it should provide food, shelter and medicine. India would provide all possible aid, he added.

Pakistan on the Brink: Report

Pakistan is on the brink of political and economic anarchy and a conflict that may be resembling a civil war, a British newspaper reported Thursday quoting US intelligence and Pakistani politicians.

The Independent said the military offensive to root out Taliban militants in the north has created “a flood of up to 200,000 refugees and pitched Pakistani against Pakistani, Muslim against Muslim, in a conflict some are beginning to regard as a civil war.”

It quoted a new US intelligence estimate as warning that renewed insurgency, coupled with energy shortages and political infighting, means that the world's only Islamic nation with nuclear weapons is "on the edge."

Opposition Tehriq-e-Insaf leader Imran Khan told the paper on a visit to London Wednesday Pakistan is in the throes of a political and economic meltdown that "is leading to a sort of anarchy.”

"How does a country collapse? There's increasing uncertainty, economic meltdown, more people on the street, inflation rising between 25 and 30 per cent. Then there's the rupee falling," Khan said.

"The awful thing is there's no solution in sight - neither in the war on terror nor on the economic side," he added.

Pakistan, which has asked the International Monetary Fund for a $15 billion bailout, is in turn being pressed by the US to deepen its fight against Islamic militants in regions bordering Afghanistan.

The country's main opposition leader Nawaz Sharif of the PML (N) has said in a leaked letter, "Pakistan is going through the worst crisis of its history."

"I have never known as much uncertainty as this," said Khan, who is in London to see his children, the Independent said.

Antony non-committal on CDS post

A Correspondent in New Delhi | October 23, 2008 | 19:39 IST

The Union government continues to drag feet on creation of the post of the Chief of Defence Staff recommended by the Kargil Review Committee to prevent the lack of synergy among the three services experienced during the Kargil war.

Nine years after the Kargil war, Defence Minister A K Antony did not give any firm date for creating the post by stating that he had sent a reminder to leaders of all political parties on March 4 this year to elicit their views on the issue.

In a report tabled in Parliament on Thursday on a parliamentary standing committee seeking implementation of the Subramanyam review committee's recommendations for reforming the national security system, Antony sought to stress that a joint decision making mechanism has been already created in the form of Chief of Staff Committee with the chiefs of all three services as its members.

Antony remained equally vague on the standing committee asking for immediate withdrawal of army from the internal security duties to let these be handled by the central para military forces. The committee had also sought a fixed time schedule for gradual withdrawal of the army from the counter-insurgency duties in Jammu and Kashmir and the Northeast.

The Committee had cited in this regard the Subramanyam Kargil review committee that army's prolonged deployment in counter-insurgency role to tackle terrorist problems adversely affects its training programme which leads to fatigue and development of a mindset that detracts from its primary role.

All that Antony has to say on this issue is that "the government is fully seized of the matter and home ministry has also been advised on the same lines."

The defence minister has also turned down the standing committee's recommendation to have a non-lapsing defence fund to enable his ministry to carry over the sanctioned funds not spent in a particular year because of the logistics.

He also rejected as "premature at this stage" the standing committee's suggestion that pending the decision on the post of CDS kept on hold for political consultations, the post of defence secretary be upgraded to the level of the cabinet secretary or equivalent to the chiefs of the three services for synergy between the civilian and military officers.

Antony has also turned down the Committee's recommendation that the defence forces should follow the procurement methods of other ministries for buying day-to-day civil items, contending that all such purchases are to be made only under the Defence Procurement Manual last revised in 2006.

New Delhi and Beijing
It’s better they have strategic ties
by Gurmeet Kanwal

BOTH China and India are Asian giants and have begun to exercise immense influence in international affairs. Political and economic relations between the two are much better now than ever before since the 1962 border war. Mutual economic dependence is growing rapidly, and bilateral trade is expected to cross $40 billion this year.

However, growth in the strategic and security relationship has failed to keep pace. Despite prolonged negotiations at the political level to resolve the outstanding territorial and boundary disputes between the two countries, there has been little progress on this sensitive issue.

On April 11, 2005, China and India announced a new “strategic partnership” after a summit-level meeting between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Premier Wen Jiabao. International analysts were quick to note that the prospects of a more cooperative relationship between these two growing economies had significant global implications. A meaningful strategic partnership will lead to mutually beneficial synergies between the Chinese and Indian economies.

India is rapidly emerging as a leader in computer software. Its knowledge-based industries are attracting the interest of major international information technology (IT) enterprises from all over the world. China is now a leading base for the manufacture of IT hardware. Synergising India’s software capability and China’s hardware strength is likely to produce an unbeatable combination.

The rapidly growing appetite of both countries for energy and their high dependence on oil and gas imports is forcing them to secure oil equity abroad. Chinese and Indian oil and gas companies have often been in competition with each other to invest in overseas fields. A strategy based on cooperation rather than competition will help the two countries to secure better terms and enable them to share their risks.

China’s and India’s coordinated approach in international negotiations is proving to be mutually beneficial. When the two countries that represent more than a third of the global population speak in unison, as has been seen in their coordinated approach during the WTO negotiations and on environmental issues, the world has no option but to sit up and take note. China and India have played a calming role in the ongoing global financial meltdown. They must together seek the long-pending reform of the international financial architecture. As both countries hold substantial foreign exchange reserves, they can and should play a greater role in decision-making in the Bretton Woods organisations.

Reform of the UN Security Council (UNSC) is yet another area for cooperation. Just as India had played a very positive role in China’s membership of the UN and its subsequent inclusion in the UNSC, China should support India’s aspiration for a seat in an expanded UNSC. This will quite naturally increase Asia’s clout in world affairs. In Asia, China and India should work together for peace and stability and broader regional economic integration to make the 21st century truly Asia’s century.

Counter-terrorism is another area in which China and India can cooperate for mutual benefit as both are victims of pan-Islamic fundamentalist terrorism emanating from across their borders. Both also need to work together to counter the menace of narcotics trafficking from the Golden Crescent on the one side and the Golden Triangle on the other.

In the Indian perception, there are several areas of lingering concern. The foremost among these is the “all-weather” friendship between China and Pakistan that is said to be “higher than the mountains and deeper than the oceans”. The Indian government and analysts are convinced that China has given nuclear warhead designs and missile technology as well as fully assembled, crated M-9 and M-11 missiles to Pakistan.

The other contentious issues include China’s continuing opposition to India’s nuclear weapons programme; its deep inroads into Myanmar and support to its military regime; its covert assistance to the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) in Sri Lanka and increasing activities in the Bay of Bengal and its attempts to isolate India in the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF).

As both China and India are nuclear-armed states, it is in the interest of both to ensure that their strategic stability is maintained and that the risk of accidental or unauthorised nuclear exchanges is minimised. This is possible only if negotiators from both sides sit down together and discuss nuclear confidence- building measures (CBMs) and nuclear risk-reduction measures (NRRMs). However, China’s insistence that it cannot discuss nuclear CBMs and NRRMs with India as India is not a nuclear weapons state recognised by the NPT is proving to be a stumbling block. China’s official position is that India should roll-back and eliminate its nuclear weapons in terms of UNSC Resolution No 1172.

That is unlikely to happen, especially when India has now been given a backdoor entry into the NPT through the NSG waiver and the IAEA safeguards agreement as it has been recognised as a responsible state with advanced nuclear technology. India has also signed civilian nuclear cooperation agreements with France and the US and is likely sign one with Russia in December 2008. It would be in the interest of both countries to discuss nuclear CBMs and NRRMs so as to enhance strategic stability in South Asia. It is also in China’s interest to enter into a nuclear trade agreement with India as India is rapidly emerging as a large market for nuclear fuel and nuclear technology.

India is conscious of the fact that its growing external relations with its new trading and strategic partners are causing some concern in China. Beijing has viewed with suspicion India’s willingness to join Australia, Japan and the US in a “quadrilateral” engagement to promote shared common interests. China also wishes to reduce what it perceives as the steadily increasing influence of Washington over New Delhi.

China knows that the US is several years ahead of Beijing in recognising India’s potential as a military and economic power and has greatly increased its cooperation with India in both spheres. However, India has always pursued an independent foreign policy and cherishes its strategic autonomy. It will be recalled that India has steadfastly supported the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) for several decades during the Cold War and has never entered into a military alliance with any country.

Therefore, India’s newfound strategic relationship with the US need not come in the way of China-India relations, which have their own strategic significance for New Delhi. Of all the areas of concern between the two countries, it is the long-standing territorial and boundary disputes that are the most disconcerting ones. The poor security relationship has the potential to act as a spoiler in the larger relationship and will ultimately determine whether the two Asian giants will clash or cooperate for mutual gains.n

Indian Defence Ministry to allow officers leave during peace

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Indian Defence Ministry on Thursday accepted a parliamentary standing committee’s recommendation to allow officers posted in the forward and border areas to avail leave during peacetime.
The committee had proposed this to reduce stress upon the army personnel as seen from the increasing number of suicides and fratricides.
In a report tabled in the Lok Sabha, Defence Minister AK Antony said fresh guidelines had also been issued leaves as an important function of command.
Annual leave could now be taken in three parts instead of two, subject to exigencies of service. According to the new guidelines, leave should not be denied to troops except under exigencies of service or on operational grounds.
Also, no local restrictions on ground of leave shall be imposed, except with the explicit permission of a competent authority.
Antony said the rules permitting travel by air or train or any other mode for one family member with the body of any armed personnel who dies at a field station or is killed in action had been further liberalised. Now the dependents of the deceased would be allowed to travel by the fastest mode, including air, for onward and return journeys.

Indian troops drinking military into the red: report

8 hours ago

NEW DELHI (AFP) — India's million-plus army is consuming much more alcohol than permitted, causing huge financial losses to the state and raising suspicions of widespread black marketeering, a report said Thursday.

Among the biggest culprits is the Indian army's most prestigious hospital in New Delhi and a military spy unit attached to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's office, the Midday evening newspaper said.

When contacted by AFP, defence ministry and army sources confirmed there was a serious problem.

Indian soldiers are allowed a certain amount of heavily-subsidised liquor for personal consumption, but the report said the limit was being widely flouted.

It said 43 army units had inflicted a loss of around 100 million rupees (at least two million dollars) on the government over the past 18 months, the paper said.

"We suspect some of it is finding its way into the civilian market and we are trying to plug it," a colonel from the army's Central Stores Department told AFP.

A major-general was arrested in 2005 after he smuggled two truck-loads of liquor to the open market, where military alcohol can be sold for double the price soldiers pay.

The army recently issued smart cards to its 1.23 million troopers keep tabs on consumption.

Govt accepts Pay Panel proposal for deceased soldiers
New Delhi, Oct 23: This is one proposal of the 6th Central Pay Commission which is likely to bring cheer to the ruing armed forces personnel.

The government has accepted a CPC recommendation that the state exchequer bear the travel cost of deceased personnel's family members from the place of death to his village or funeral site.

"The government has accepted the 6th CPC recommendation that travel by fastest means including air shall be authorised for onward and return journeys to dependents of deceased armed forces personnel for conducting customary social rites for all ranks," Defence Minister A K Antony told Rajya Sabha yesterday.

In his action taken reports relating to the Standing Committee on Defence, Antony said the Service headquarters had moved a proposal with the CPC on conveyance of "dead bodies" and relatives of deceased Service personnel by air or the fastest means of travel.

The Committee had in its report noted that during the members' visit to Andaman and Nicobar Island and North Eastern States, they had observed that in case of casualties or death of soldiers, the body was sent to their native place by flights, but the family members were not allowed to travel in the same flight because it was not mentioned in the guidelines.

"This is a sorry state of affairs. Therefore, the Committee strongly feels that appropriate financial delegation at the lower level should be given to incur travelling expenditure of the family members along with the body of the deceased soldiers," the committee had said.

In its reply, the government said travel regulations formulated in 1991 applicable on armed forces personnel already contained provisions for one of the family members to accompany the deceased by air, steamer, rail or road.

The regulations provided that one family member of the personnel, who died while in service in peace or field station, including those killed in action be allowed to perform journey by the fastest mode of transport between the place of death and place of last rites, it said.

In addition, the dead personnel, killed in the border or line of control, operations and counter-insurgency operations in India and abroad were also transported by the fastest mode pf transport available, accompanied by a person, who may either be a family member or a person deputed by the family or a unit representative from the place of occurrence to his home town.

"In this regard, the powers have also been delegated to the lowest level of commanding officer of the unit or formation to sanction expenditure on transportation of the dead personnel accompanied by an attendant," the reply said.

Antony said Indian Airlines was allowing transport free of charge on its domestic sectors of dead officers and personnel of the armed forces. However, the airline does not provide free transportation of family members.

"Service headquarters have also moved a proposal to the CPC on conveyance of the dead soldiers by air. It will be appropriate if the government pay for the transportation of the dead soldiers, rather than the airlines granting it a concession," Antony said.

‘No resentment among armed forces over Sixth Pay Commission report’

This article is posted in 6CPC Matters category and has 14 Comments so far.

Defence Minister A K Antony today informed Lok Sabha that no armed forces officer sought pre mature retirement due to resentment against Sixth Pay Commission Report.

No officer of the Navy, the Air Force has sought pre-mature retirement (PMR) on the ground of dissatisfaction with the Sixth Central Pay Commission Report, Antony said.

However, in the Army, since March, 2008 a total number of 584 officers (less Army Medical Corps/Army Dental Corps and Military Nursing Service) have applied for pre-mature retirement/resignation on ground of non-empanelment, compassionate ground, low medical category, failure to acquire minimum technical qualification and better employment in civil life, he added.

The Defence Minster pointed out that from this it cannot be ascertained that they have sought an exit due to resentment against Sixth Pay Commission Report.

He further said that the Services had submitted a detailed representation to the Government bringing out certain issues arising out of the report of the Sixth Central Pay Commission. The Government has decided on most of the issues.

Subsequently, few more issues have been raised by the Services viz. grant of higher grade pay to Service officers, placement of Lt. Colonel and equivalent in Pay Band-4, reinstatement of pensionary weightages for Personnel Below Officer Rank (PBOR), providing HAG + Pay Band for Lt. Generals and equivalent holding post of Principal Staff Officer, Director Generals, Controllers, etc, the minister said. he Government have decided that the Minister of External Affairs will look into the issues raised by the Services and give recommendations, in consultation with the Defence Minister and the Finance Minister.

Source : ANI News

14 Responses to “‘No resentment among armed forces over Sixth Pay Commission report’”

S K Jain said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 11:24

This is wrong to say on the part of H’ble Minister AK Antony that there is no resentment over the 6CPC in the Armed Forces. However, serving armed forces personnel certainly cannot take to the streets in protest. When the defence minister A K Antony was telling Parliament that there was no resentment in Armed Forces, scores of veterans, ex-servicemen and their wives were being detained by the police on Monday for trying to stage a hunger strike at India Gate against the 6th Pay Commission, just a kilometre away. Have they all gone mad? No dear sirs, there is certainly a grave resentment in Armed Forces over 6CPC and anyone who want detailed information may visit and read the comments of serving armed forces personnel with regards to anomalies in 6CPC.

This is a fact that the ongoing situation has certainly affected the attitude of prospective candidates of Armed Forces. The image of Armed Forces is tarnished to a great extent. The youths, who wanted to join Armed Forces, will think twice about it. Everyone knows that intake in officer’s cadres from the wards of serving officers, has gone down drastically. Obviously, there is no concern towards the welfare of serving and ex-servicemen. Implementation of “One Rank One Pension” is pending since 1984 despite the fact that the issue was included in the Election Manifestoes of main political parties and the same was also included in the President’s address to the Parliament in 2004 thereby making OROP the declared policy of Government (not of any particular political party). There are no orders till date with regard to the payment of arrears and enhanced pension of defence pensioners. In case there is a delay in sorting out the matter, arrears in lump sump should have been given to about 18 lakhs defence pensioners before Diwali. When lump sump arrears for serving armed forces personnel were being considered, why no one thought about the armed forces pensioners and who will take the responsibility of the same?

Suri said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 13:51

Dear All,
Mr. Antony, our beloved defence minister has made a false statement in the parliament and just he also seems to have joined with the gang os Babooz to let down the Armed Forces. It is not clear as to why he chose to misguide the parliament by giving a false answer to a genuine question of one of the honourable member of Parliament. Never mind, folks, the truth will ultimately prevail.

chandy said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 17:57

either the defence minister is insane or he is a liar. it is upto him to choose between the two.

dev said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 22:14

Very difficult to trust any politicians including prime minister.What a cheating really?

Kumar said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 23:12

Clearly, RM is misguiding the Parliament and the people of India. There is resentment not only in the minds of Armed Forces Personnel but also in the minds of our Youths who were otherwise planning a career in “Uniform”. India is not far from the reality that it has to make the ‘Military Service’ compulsary, as we are not going to have anymore “worthy” volunteers for this ‘dirty’ job.
God bless this ‘great’ Nation. Jai Hind.

kartik said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:08

ARMY the mouse trap for young boys of Free india to make them slave

khurana said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:09

GOOD GOD!how can you tell a blatant lie on the floor of the parliament. when all the major news papers and tv are covering the resentment. its posted all over the internet. the whole world knows about it but not our parliament.

amardeep said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 15:19

sir it is a sad state of affairs,”retired gens———–police” raj thakrey granted bail, defieciency of officers, more putting up papers, trg academies running half the strength lower the status of officers, withdraw sahayaks is IAS subsidiary of ISI ie ISI ALLIED SERVICE. nieghbours will surely be thanking. RM sir has tied a pice of cloth on his eyes as he states no resignations due to 6th cpc anomalies

sentry said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 20:10

Can somebody tell who has resigned/put up papers due to dissatisfaction from 6cpc before criticising RM. Are services listening? May v have facts n figures? What nonsense of shortages of officers? If so why so many of them posted on deputations and to other departments not doing their core functions. All those service officers not on core functions should be called back immediately so that they do not fool around while services cry for defi and also if they cannot be utilized on core duties then instead they should be retired to have corporate salaries and fancied lifestyle of outside world.

Kumar said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 23:58

@sentry. Dear friend, don’t fool yourself by posing as if you know that the functions of the Armed Forces. Deputations are all the mandate given to the Forces by the parliament and the soldiers are discharging their duties with atmost dedication and loyalty. Your tasteless comment clearly shows your immaturity and your unwillingness to accept a hard working, the most disciplined uniformed colleague for the “obvious” reasons. RM, with his misleading comment to the “Parliament”, can only be criticised. After all, we live in the World’s best democracy???

satboy said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 7:45

The defence minister has not lied. He has simply quoted figures based on the statistics held with MOD on number of officer’s who have put up their papers. There are only a few grounds on which an officer can leave the AF and some of these are super cession, medical problems of self/family, extreme compassionate grounds, lack of advancement etc. An officer can put up his paper’s because of resentment. So to that extent he is correct. So don’t go about showing him in bad light.

Suri said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 9:00

@satboy, Undoubtedly the Defence minister has clearly lied in parliament (may be to garner few votes or may be to avoid embarrasment or could be to shield erring IAS lobby). Any service person know that if one seeks discharge on the premise of quoting reason as “Dissatisfaction fron 6SPC”, one would never get the approval. Hence the poor chap looks around for most genuin looking excuse to chuck. Now one can,t bypass the reality by this act of a particular indl who is genuinly looking exit route. The fact remains and is written on the wall that report of 6SPC specially after the approval by COS is absolutely rubbish and has value not more than the piece of tissue paper with so much of dissatisfaction looming large not only in the Armed forces but in the entire country as well. It is only our “Beloved RM” who is living in fools paradise and trying to make others believe too.

S K Jain said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 10:15

I fail to understand as to why the officers and PBORs, who apply for pre-mature retirement, are not granted the same. Some days earlier, there was a news that Service Chiefs have decided not to process pre-mature retirement of the officers especially in respect of those who apply for pre-maure retirement because they have rendered minimum required service. If one is not satisfied with your system and wants to quit, why he is not allowed? After all, service officers and PBORs are not bonded labours. The Govt must concentrate to attract the youths for the job rather than using unfair and unconstitutiional practices.

Bxxstoyouall said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 19:34

It is a statement that has obviously been drafted by the crafty babus and is typically misleading. There are extremely set norms and procedures in the armed forces. The grounds on which one can apply for release are laid down - and dissatisfaction with Pay Commission or any other cause is NOT one of them. So how can anyone apply for that?
This country will very shortly have the army IT DESERVES - akin to its politicians, babus and police. It will be as third rate as any of them, and the pakis will be able to just walk all over your cities - not to mention the chinese. Like the plight of police today while facing terrorists and naxalites, the army of tommorrow will not consist of men who are capable of facing the challenges and the threats. That is because all right minded and capable people are leaving. Those left behind will consist of people who know that they do not have much future outside because they lack the capability. And the quality of people joining will take care of the rest.

God bless you all.

ashwani said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 21:34

Dear sentry,
either ur aMES/BRO officer or an agent of Babus. But that is immaterial.Facts a re if MES / BRO is manned entirely by civilians, they due to their right to form associations/unions can at any time go on strikes or lay off and hold the Services to ransom. A situations completely unacceptable. And they have done it in the past . So the presence of Army on deputation is essential even if we have to work with depleted strength in the core areas.

As regards ur suggestions that may put up papers and go home it is acceptable if u guarantee their resignations will be accepted on account of dissatifaction with 6 CPC. Let us not digress from the main issue that it is the conspiracy of the IAS. and ur falling prey to that trap . And IAS have succeded in their machitations. MES/BRO are part of the Army and problems if any can always be sorted.out.FACTS CAN BE IGNORED BUT CANNOT BE CHANGED.. AND the fact is that u cannt compare the service conditions of Army and civilians. So same Pay commission cannt judicate their Pay. Regarding parity it comes into play during Joint civil/military functions.LET THE TOTAL YEARS OF SERVICE IN CLASS 1 SERVICE BE THE ONLY CRITERIA. bUT bABUS WILL NOT AGREE TO A SIMPLE SOLUTION . Their expertise lies only in comlicating the issues.

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